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Mod Post: Coloring Help; Major Rule Change

Hi gang,

The launch of coloring_help has proven to be hugely successful. Thanks to aida_rose and her co-mod, the community has achieved two goals: one, it gets curious graphic-makers the help they need, and two, it cleans up icon_tutorial, leaving us better able to assist in the myriad of more specific questions, problems, answers, and tutorials for which we were founded.

Therefore, going forward, there will be two significant changes to the ruleset here.

One: posts ONLY containing the question, "How do I get / make / find this coloring?" will no longer be allowed at icon_tutorial. Posts containing curiosity about coloring as part of a larger question will be allowed to remain. ("When I use a blue exclusion layer on this image, I get that sort of result, so why doesn't it work on this other image?")

Two: Coloring recipes containing ONLY a list of numbers will no longer be allowed at icon_tutorial. If your tutorial says, "Here's where the Curves tool is found, and using it in this way with this tint of base can create this sort of result," or, "Using selective coloring on this image can work better than using exclusion layers," that's fine. If your tutorial says, "-300, 2, 47," it's deleted. [Edit: See the comments for more clarification on this.]

This does introduce a much larger element of moderator discretion into the community than has existed previously, I am aware. However, now that coloring_help exists, it's easiest to direct that kind of specialized question there, the same way we direct font identification questions to fontaddicts. A community of 30,000 is under pressure to be all things to all members, but we have a mission and a goal to guide us, and we've been deviating a little too far from it in the recent past.

These are complicated things to introduce to the community rules as they currently stand, so that is going to be a work in progress for a few days. In the meantime, please don't take it personally and get offended if your post is deleted. It doesn't mean we think you're a bad person; it means that the post broke the rules, and deletion is the only real tool LJ gives us to use.

Thanks!

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ofthedawn_x
Jan. 29th, 2009 03:48 pm (UTC)
I love how icon_tutorial is run and the sub-communities/affliate type communities that have been made; by having things seperate it makes it a lot easier to find things, especially when that one community is the source for that one thing rather than it all being bundled in a bit of a mess :) Its great.
etoilepb
Jan. 29th, 2009 03:49 pm (UTC)
Thanks. It's been an evolving process, really; way back in 2004 everything fit here under one umbrella but as times change, needs change and we try to do what we can to keep up. :)
ofthedawn_x
Jan. 29th, 2009 03:51 pm (UTC)
I think this comm has proven that change can sometimes be good :) I think it can be helpful to members to have, for example coloring_help, just that one place; especially as a lot of the time something can just be one quick question and answer to find something, especially if its just that bit reguarding one bit of a colour rather than a whole tutorial sometimes (especially for people who want to experiment and need just a small pinch of help)
nitanitachan
Jan. 29th, 2009 04:04 pm (UTC)
great

I must admmit that I don't often peek into tutorials, but when I do and see only many numbers and only that style: "selective coloring: [insert 10 numbers]" , I close it imediately, not even a pic to see what you are even changing at the moment...
though there are a lot of cool tuts on here too ^.^
jadeleopard
Jan. 29th, 2009 04:06 pm (UTC)
Woot! You guys do a fantastic job here! Thank you :D
lauchlen
Jan. 29th, 2009 04:38 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much for this! I know myself that when there are just a bunch of numbers I backspace because I've no use for the tutorial.

You guys do an awesome job here and it's very much appreciated. I've learnt a lot going through the tags and memories since I started using PSCS2 back in the beginning of Dec.
etherealsparkle
Jan. 29th, 2009 05:07 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
Just a big thank you for such a helpful and wonderful community! I am mainly a vidder, but I want to improve my Photoshop skills and this community (and the news ones you have just made) help me get there. Thank you so very much!
naginis
Jan. 29th, 2009 05:13 pm (UTC)
I luvs this community.
shellforbrains
Jan. 29th, 2009 05:14 pm (UTC)
I'm a little confused as far as the tutorial expectations go. I've recently been trying to write the numbers to get the effect for the specific icon while explaining what it will do with any other icon,such as "blank" tool will do this and this to your icon...is that acceptable,or...?
etoilepb
Jan. 29th, 2009 05:20 pm (UTC)
If it contains text explanation, while also containing numbers, you're fine.

The kind of post that's out now is the kind that just has an image and says:

Reds: 1, 2, 3
Cyans: 3, 2, 1

You're done!


The kind of post you're describing is actually the sort I'd rather see more of, not less.
shellforbrains
Jan. 29th, 2009 05:23 pm (UTC)
Ah,okay...makes sense since there are lots of tutorials out there that,there's mostly no way to translate it to another icon...^^;
thanks ^^
already_used
Jan. 29th, 2009 05:34 pm (UTC)
Thanks for providing clarification. I wanted to ask the same thing. :)
snnat17
Jan. 30th, 2009 02:28 am (UTC)
yeah thanks for providing clarification, I was kinda confused on that part too
xlivvielockex
Jan. 29th, 2009 05:16 pm (UTC)
Love it. Love it. Love it.

This is a great change. I think it's really going to help the icon makers out there.
endlessdeep
Jan. 29th, 2009 08:49 pm (UTC)
I think you're doing a great job and moving in the right direction.

There were way too many posts asking for the same coloring over and over again anyway.

And it was getting way too cluttered here with color tutorials that really only work on the image used in the tutorial.

coloring_help is an awesome community as well.

Change is good. ;)

Edited at 2009-01-29 08:50 pm (UTC)
miss_jes
Jan. 29th, 2009 09:12 pm (UTC)
I just want to be clear, as long as you are posting tutorials with adjustment layers that require numbers to input, I have to have an image/explanation about the numbers? I always include what channel the numbers are for and such.
etoilepb
Jan. 29th, 2009 09:16 pm (UTC)
It can be a tricky distinction, I admit.

The gist of it is: any tutorial you post in this community should give some indication of how and / or why you are doing something or have made a certain choice. So try these examples:
channel mixer:
reds: [numbers]
greens: [numbers]

thanks!
vs.
When using Selective Coloring, increasing [x value] will have [y effect] on your image. So, because our base image is so yellow, here are the values I used:

[numbers]


There's a big qualitative difference between the two.
miss_jes
Jan. 29th, 2009 09:35 pm (UTC)
oh okay, I always include that in my posts...well at least I think I do. Thank you for explaining it :)
theoriginaldork
Jan. 29th, 2009 09:13 pm (UTC)
Hooray, you've disallowed all the posts I find annoying! It's like you've been reading my diary!
kibethsbark
Jan. 29th, 2009 11:16 pm (UTC)
This is an awesome change in rules - thank you so much! :D You guys are doing an awesome job, and I'm glad to see that this is the direction that the community is going in. :)
capitals_kid
Jan. 29th, 2009 11:41 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the second thing! I hate those "recipe" tutorials. Does that mean that the posts will be moderated now, kind of like it was during the holidays, where things will be rejected?
etoilepb
Jan. 29th, 2009 11:48 pm (UTC)
No, we're not putting the community on moderated posting; we'll be deleting after the fact, as per usual.

It's true that moderated posting prevents the problem posts from getting made in the first place, but it interrupts the flow of posts in a large community, and in general I prefer not to do it full-time unless we have to.
capitals_kid
Jan. 29th, 2009 11:51 pm (UTC)
Okay, cool. I appreciate all the things you're doing for the community, thanks so much! I understand if you don't want all that work, I mean, we all have lives outside this community. :)
fight_luser
Jan. 30th, 2009 01:20 am (UTC)
no it's bad. well if sb is beginer of course is very good, but eg 4 me is not, cos i musta write looonger ;<<
ringopuriin
Jan. 30th, 2009 07:59 am (UTC)
after reading some of the comments, i'm still a little confused. ^^'
here is an example:
now the icon looks a little dull, so let's do some selective coloring/color balance/etc to make the colors more vibrant/etc:

red: x,x,x,x
yellow: x,x,x,x
white: x,x,x,x

now the icon look more vibrant/etc.


would that be okay?
etoilepb
Jan. 30th, 2009 02:03 pm (UTC)
Yes, because in that example, you're explaining the process: there's a what (vibrance) and a why (dull image) attached.

But the general rule is the more explanation, the better.
ringopuriin
Jan. 31st, 2009 03:26 am (UTC)
alright then. i'll just try to put more explanation in my tutorials from now on. ^^
capitals_kid
Jan. 31st, 2009 11:26 pm (UTC)
I have a question about a tutorial I wrote:
http://community.livejournal.com/icon_tutorial/10179979.html?mode=reply
I feel like it explains things too much, is there such thing as that? Should there be a limit? I know this sounds a bit stupid - but I'm wondering if there's a point where you don't need to explain that much. Thanks.
etoilepb
Jan. 31st, 2009 11:32 pm (UTC)
No such thing!! The more you provide, the more likely it someone will actually LEARN something.

That said, if you're wondering why you haven't received more comments, may I suggest paragraph breaks? It's a little hard to read. :)
capitals_kid
Jan. 31st, 2009 11:39 pm (UTC)
Okay, I'll try that. You read my mind. :P Thanks!
bygone
Feb. 9th, 2009 04:34 pm (UTC)
Hi, the recent post I made I was not sure how to reword it to fit the community's standards, so I just deleted it. Thank you for enlightening me about it though, hopefully in the future I can paricipate better. :-)
iheartkeira
Feb. 12th, 2009 02:55 am (UTC)
Two: Coloring recipes containing ONLY a list of numbers will no longer be allowed at [info]icon_tutorial.

I think that's a really dumb rule, so I probably won't be posting here as much, which is a shame. Yes, having explanations is good sometimes, but I don't want to waste my time writing one out. Stupid.
etoilepb
Feb. 12th, 2009 03:03 am (UTC)
You are welcome to your opinion. You are also welcome to start your own community elsewhere, with a different mission and purpose than ours.

I assumed this rule change would cost the community a few members. I figured up to 5,000 would be a reasonable loss. It's a very large community, you see. And it can never suit everyone.
moonwitch
Feb. 16th, 2009 02:41 am (UTC)
If you don't want to waste time writing out an explanation, why are you writing a tutorial? Tutorials fundamentally explain and teach.
iconsoleander
Jun. 14th, 2009 09:37 pm (UTC)
This.
muddyroad
Feb. 15th, 2009 02:02 pm (UTC)
Thank you, I was getting sick of seeing lists of numbers that most likely only ever work for THAT particular icon.

C'mon people - half the fun of icon making is in the experimentation!
dissendiun
Jun. 25th, 2009 04:00 pm (UTC)
Coloring recipes containing ONLY a list of numbers will no longer be allowed at icon_tutorial.
I won't leave the community or anything similar because I think you guys are doing an excellent job here. I just wanna post my opinion.
Sometimes, for people who have an advanced knowledge in ps, those kind of tutorials are better, it's even easier, because it goes right on the point, I mean, I'm brazilian and my english sucks, so, I can't make a detailed tutorial, what I can do is write the necessary and put images (and, for me, images, sometimes, are better than words in a tutorial).
It's just a suggestion, but what if you guys create a tag only for those kind of tutorial?
etoilepb
Jun. 25th, 2009 04:19 pm (UTC)
I understand your point of view, and I don't disagree with your claim for your needs, but frankly if you're a Photoshop whiz you don't need that kind of recipe, either.

You're perfectly welcome to write a lengthy tutorial in Portugese! In fact, I'd welcome it. Our recent demographics poll shows that about 25% - 30% of the community does not speak English as a first language.

As it stands, limiting it to a tag or "just a few" was still pretty much ruining the community. NOTHING was appearing but coloring recipes and members who sought more instruction or who wanted to provide more details were abandoning us in droves. It was time to take icon_tutorial back to its roots of teaching, over trends, and to leave the coloring recipes to another community.
snooby_23
Jan. 16th, 2010 05:02 pm (UTC)
I'm so sorry about posting before reading the new changes. I'm really sorry.
niicoleelee
Feb. 28th, 2010 12:29 am (UTC)
sorry about my post
that was my first ever post here

if i do do another tutorial i will follow the rules
niicoleelee
Feb. 28th, 2010 12:36 am (UTC)
also if i were to rewrite it with heaps more explanation, would it be okay to repost it?
justonebeat
May. 3rd, 2010 03:04 pm (UTC)
ok sorry, i didnt relise :s x
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