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Mod Post: Major Rule Change

Hi, Gang!

After much discussion and frustration with the level of community content, we've decided that the time has come for a major change to the rules of icon_tutorial.

Beginning 1 June 2008, all posts made in icon_tutorial must contain content POSTED IN icon_tutorial.

This means that the request of "cross-post, instead of linking" is now mandatory. If you have created a tutorial in your personal icon journal or community, and you want to post it in icon_tutorial, copy and paste it in its entirety into a post in the community. Posts containing only, "Tutorial [here], at my journal!" will, after June 1, be deleted.

As always, there can be exceptions made to community rules for good enough reasons, but you'll have to contact us first, as outlined in the community's profile.

I recognize that this change will be unpopular in the short-term, but in the longer term it should benefit the community, particularly as we spend 2008 working on long-overdue improvements to the memories and bringing the tags up to speed.

This rule will be added to the profile shortly; other small changes may also follow. So remember: always read the rules before you post!

icon_tutorial has very nearly 25,000 members. We thank you all for making us what we are today, and hope you will continue making this community great into the future.

*E

(Edited to Clarify: No need to panic about posts that already exist. The week-long notice is to serve as a grace period -- this rule will not apply until 1 June, and then only to posts made 1 June and thereafter.)

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triedtoholdonto
May. 27th, 2008 05:17 pm (UTC)
This isn't a bad idea. Especially if you just add a little tag at the bottom like "want to see all of my tutorials? Check out (insert your icon community/journal here)"

Plus this'll stop all of those "Journal will be friendslocked after 3 days" shit.

Thanks mods!!
betterthanlegos
May. 27th, 2008 05:21 pm (UTC)
Hee! I rather like that idea. Keen stuff :D
goodnightdodger
May. 27th, 2008 05:24 pm (UTC)
I agree. I've had to delete so many tutorials because people have deleted the post, moved it, or deleted their journals. Kudos.
celisnebula
May. 27th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
Thank you! It frustrates me to know end when I'm looking through older tutorials that link back to personal journals only to find that the tutorial has been friends locked. I don't want to add a gazillion people to my friends list just so I can read a tutorial.
lestic
May. 27th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
I didn't like it. If we post our tutorials here, our real journals will never be 'famous' by our tutorials... People you'll always say something about our tuts. here, not in our personal journals.

I really didn't like this idea.
etoilepb
May. 27th, 2008 05:31 pm (UTC)
You can feel free to add a line at the bottom of the tutorial saying, effectively, "Do you like this tutorial? Fee free to add [personal icon journal] to your friends list for regular tutorial updates!"

But this community's purpose is not to gain individual users friend counts, and it's become too much of that lately.
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lestic
May. 27th, 2008 05:28 pm (UTC)
The rule should only prohibit links for personal/locked journals.
jadeleopard
May. 27th, 2008 05:37 pm (UTC)
This rule should really do some good. Thank you for keeping this fantastically helpful community going.
zequins
May. 27th, 2008 05:38 pm (UTC)
I prefer it the old way, but I understand why you have decided to do this. It's not really a big issue for me :)
boogieshoe_s
May. 27th, 2008 05:40 pm (UTC)
are we still allowed to link tutorial posts (like a collection of your fave tuts) to our personal comm/journal or should those be posted here too?
lestic
May. 27th, 2008 05:42 pm (UTC)
'Posts containing only, "Tutorial [here], at my journal!" will, after June 1, be deleted.'
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mia_eileen
May. 27th, 2008 05:43 pm (UTC)
This is a great idea, thanks!

How about adding a template rule? A template that contains:

Program you're using:
Problem you're having:


Especially in post where the poster asked how to make this or that, how to create that coloring ect. 95% of those who post here don't include what program they're using, and it's quite frustrating/annoying having to ASK in every single post "what program are you using" when you want to help. We all know the different graphic programs are different, for example you do animation different in every single one, except for photoshop 7.0 - CS2.
And while most of us have a good smelling sense, we can't smell which graphic program each user has, unfortunately ;P LOL.

And how about adding a rule that states "Every post has to be tagged with the appropriate tags concerning your question/tutorial"

And every post defying those rules will be deleted?

I'm just throwing suggestions out there. These two things would make it A LOT easier for you mods AND for the rest of us here. The tagging rule will make it less work consuming for the mods, as the poster tags his/her post themselves, and it's easier to find things for others, rather then browsing back, HOPING they'll find the answer to what they're looking for. The template rule will make it more efficient for those who want to help people who ask. As I said it's a pain in the butt asking in every single post.
yueni
May. 27th, 2008 06:15 pm (UTC)
At the moment, I am working to update the tag list. I'm actually redoing and revamping our existing tags at the moment. Once that has been done, we will probably request that posters tag their entries so that it will be easier for everybody to search for topics.
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foxylovesme
May. 27th, 2008 06:00 pm (UTC)
I LOVE this rule. I don't make tuts (I can barely even make an icon LOL)but I'd rather see the tut HERE in this community where it belongs than have to access someone's LJ where I may, or may not, be able to view it. :/

Thanks. This is a wonderful community and I know you mods work very hard to maintain it. :)
cardboardrabbit
May. 27th, 2008 06:15 pm (UTC)
I love this idea!
agentcat47
May. 27th, 2008 06:16 pm (UTC)
THANK YOU! I don't know how many tutorials I've seen with that stupid, "Journal will be friends only in 1 day". They should just make the tutorials PUBLIC.
alnora
May. 27th, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
Brush communities make me lol when they fake cut to their journal, which then they link to their DA account. Just link to the download, please. Same here. I don't wanna click on three links to get to your tutorial, only to have it locked (because the more people that add you, the better person you are :P). If you want to lock it, lock it in this community.
kumiko_gackt
May. 27th, 2008 06:26 pm (UTC)
Gosh, I love this new rule so much! Now I don't have to worry about losing any of my favorite tutorials anymore, due to Friends-Locking and whatnot (for tutorials that're linked to personal LJs). Thank you! -^_~-
teh_gandu
May. 27th, 2008 06:28 pm (UTC)
Is this because of stupid people with their this journal/comm will be f-locked after one day (or sometimes if we're lucky 2-3 days)

What about those of us who's comms are public, does that mean in spite of the comm being public (I've never seen the point in f-locking comms) we still have to post tuts into the comm?

Edited at 2008-05-27 06:28 pm (UTC)
etoilepb
May. 27th, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
The friends-locking issue is one of the contributing factors, most definitely, but is not the sole reason. Posts made to this community don't vanish when a journal-holder gets bored with his or her name and switches. They aren't subject to the whims of infinte journal changes. They should (SHOULD) be viewable in a pretty standard, readable font and layout by viewing in the community. They can be tagged, added to the memories, and properly moderated. And frankly, it gives the community content again, which is its purpose.

We've been allowing the links to non-locked journals and deleting the locked ones for a year or two now, but that rule is just not holding up these days with the way LJ works and people post. So we're making it uniform.
kajivar
May. 27th, 2008 07:06 pm (UTC)
Awesome. Thank you!
birb
May. 27th, 2008 07:14 pm (UTC)
I like this rule. :D
plasticpepper
May. 27th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
Yay! I'm so glad, I totally think this rule is needed. THANK YOU! :)
fencer_x
May. 27th, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
*big thumbs up* I heartily support this; so tired of having to delete things in my memories because they've been flocked or deleted entirely.
solonbixler
May. 27th, 2008 10:01 pm (UTC)
I am having a love hate relationship with this idea. Because I know why it's done, and I like it on that part. Specially since I have a tut list and I hate when tutorials go lost and missing. It sucks.

But I like liking back to my graphics comm because it's like shameless self promotion. D: But technically we can still link back to our graphic comms by saying: "Want to see more of my tuts, go [comm/journal name]" right?

A template post that could be used as a suggestion and not have it mandatory would be nice. Specially for new icon makers.
etoilepb
May. 28th, 2008 12:21 am (UTC)
You may, indeed, always add shameless self-promotion under the cut, after your content. But the community itself has basically become devoid of all content, and that's not cool. There are other communities meant 100% for self-promotion; it's time we put the tutorials back in icon_tutorial.
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sterre
May. 27th, 2008 11:06 pm (UTC)
Brilliant idea! Now I can say goodbye to that 'will be locked in 3 days' nonsense.

I like the template idea, it works well over at fanmix but I don't think it will work quite as well here, which is a shame. If a tut isn't written out well, doesn't matter what the result is, I'm not going to use it. But I'm a snob, so yeah ;)

Again, brilliant idea!
xlivvielockex
May. 27th, 2008 11:23 pm (UTC)
LOVE this idea. I always use the memories and I don't know how many times I have clicked only to find that the tutorial was either deleted, friends locked, or the journal/comm itself was gone. Such a great idea. :)
moukimokyu
May. 27th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
heartagram_lala
May. 28th, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)
i really dont like this.

The rule should only prohibit links for friends only/locked journals.
alanahikarichan
May. 28th, 2008 12:37 am (UTC)
But even an open entry will disappear/become unavailable if the user deletes their journal/the community/gets banned/what-have-you.

Keeping everything here, within i_t itself, will help keep that from happening-- since the comm isn't likely to be deleted anytime soon, and even posts from banned or deleted journals will still show up.
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